So it is not a 700 rem action like the Bergara, So no MDT chassis at this time to match. I\m a big fan of your videos and expertise. Mine is in 223 for chucks. Do you have any other recommendations or would you like to sell the Savage? Phil. The Tikka T3X Lite comes with an absolutely fantastic action. I\m in northern Arizona and hunt in everything from dense forest to open desert, shots rarely over 400 yards. Scope bases follow the Remington 700 mounting footprint, but the action length does not so only 2-piece R700 bases or separate rings will work. Sign of the times, Im sure you know what Im talking about. People harp on me for recommending the Weatherby Vanguard because its essentially the same thing as a Howa 1500, but costs more money. The reason I put the CVA Cascade above the Ruger American is: (1) It has a better action with more reliable feeding, (2) Its stock is more rigid, (3) It doesnt have a super loud safety like the Ruger American, which I found to be tricky to hunt with. Sure, its not always possible. So, too, will the rifles 2-position safety allow you to load and unload safely. Very accurate, handles recoil well, and easily in your price point with room to spare. I havent tried the Rage yet, but I have used that same action and stock in different configurations. Its an expensive gun but Ive been hearing good things. If so, what are you impressions of it. Every Weatherby Ive ever shot has been exceptionally accurate and well-built. I mean, this is one heck of a tight group! In this day and age, there is really no reason to not have a removable magazine that you could top load also. As you can see I am a gun collector and have not used my 7 mm Mag. Will the new/faster twist rates make a difference to users? I like the action of the Howa better but the Proof barrel on the Savage. I was very impressed at the response I got from John and can tell you Fierce is a company that stands behind their products. Im holding my breath for the comments section on this post. Jim, I think you misspoke about the Ultralite. I really like the trigger feel, but it is a little heavy. With a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40 scope mounted on Leupold dual dovetail rings and loaded with a maximum of five rounds of ammunition, the Momentum I tested weighed almost exactly eight poundslight enough to carry on long hikes through steep country but not unpleasant to shoot. But the chassis is the killer for me. I would love to get your take or even see a review on it. Synthetic as in black plastic, to be clear, not as in carbon fiber or some other fancy stuff. Glad that rifle is a shooter. My personal Ruger American shoots 0.8 groups consistently. I found barrel engraved with 6.5 Creedmore and read manual before use Even on safe, the bolt can be manipulated to chamber or eject a round. Everyone else says so but I figured Id ask. If a person is willing to invest the money; would you recommend the reaper above all else for a do it all hunting rifle? Have to admit I love Henrys, so am trying to take my heart out of the decision with wisdom from someone more experienced like you. I am looking to buy a new rifle and Im between the Franchi Momentum Elite and the Weatherby Vanguard MeatEater edition mainly because of availability. Seller: Ammo And Arms. Savage just came out with a Savage 110 carbon predator. Whats your opinion one the tikka t3x upr vs the waypoint 2020? I just cant keep myself from grabbing the Sig Cross. Newer is not always better. Manual dont talk about 6.5 Creedmore ! Thank you and keep up the great job! I might add when I got back to the car even with all that grease and oil on my gun I still sprayed it down with WD40 and again when I got it home and dried everything off. You havent included Winchester in your reviews. Likely sub-half-MOA. Jim, based on your reviews and several others, Id really like go with the 6.8 Western. The stock is cheesy feeling, but nicely shaped and rigid. Ive got a line on a used Seekins Havak Element in 6.5 PRC. Im not the person I asked the question but I am also looking at one chambered and 308 and another shop down the road has a 30-06. Dumped lots of Deer, Black Bear and Moose with it. Franchi, a 150-year-old shotgun manufacturer, clearly felt it was high time an affordable Italian hunting rifle hit U.S. shores. Vlad is an asshole in general who needs to go away. I went with the CVA simply for that reason. Thanks for any input. I might just know about a new rifle coming in January 2023 that might change your mind, Awesome reviews Jim. It would also handle bigger calibers MUCH better than the Cross. Franchi lists the Momentum's weight at 6.6 pounds, unloaded and unscoped. Or is the lighter, cheaper, better looking cva more applicable? You have entered an incorrect email address! I was unaware of the QC issues with the Cross. (Live in northern Alberta.) GSG, I always just hunted. Obscenely lightweight. Hey Jim, I see that you really like the Savage, but I was wondering if you have shot the Howa? Agreed on the MarkV. In the case of the .308 Winchester tested here, its a 22-inch, cold hammer forged barrel with U.S.-standard 5/8-24 threads. Vlad I have no idea who you are but you sure do make a lot of noise and a lot less sense. I have Burris rings for a Tikka T3 base which are basically the same as the Zee rings. Remington 700 footprint scope bases, a threaded barrel, and a user-adjustable trigger put the Momentum one star above average here, too. enything under 2k. it seems well priced at about 600. However, Ill simply leave this anecdote. It would be a tiny bit more expensive, but really not much. In regards to the CVA and the Bergara, Im looking at getting one or the other in 7mm Mag. The internal box magazine holds four rounds. I took it back to Scheels and the guys said its the second time someone has brought one back with that issue in a week. Still, its the 2020 Waypoint in my opinion. It weighs a little heavy per the stats, Ill admit but at that price point, its very hard to ignore especially since lightweight after-market chassis can cost as much as the base model B-14, Rem 700, Tikka T3, etc. Would love to know your thoughts on the Seekins Precision Havak PH2 rifles. Savage, Tikka, Browning, Christensen- all offer LH options and should be commended for it. Paid $230 bucks for it out the door . 80lbs maybe. If you want to hunt larger game like elk, then Id recommend getting the same rifle in .30-06 Springfield. Wondering if you have a reason for this Hey Jim! Definitely the most accurate rifle I have owned right out of the box. For the record the cheapest gun Ive ever owned is a TC compass in 6.5 Creedmoor and it has shot sub MOA with most factory offerings from day one and consistently shoots sub 1/2 moa with handloads. Thanks for the videos, they have been great! The deciding factor for me was the trigger, and that 3 of my buddies shoot the Savage. The narrow width put my eye behind the scope nicely but also leaves enough fudge factor for owners who will add an aftermarket cheek piece or wrap. love the mauser style trigger guard/magazine. Spacers are included for length of pull adjustment. Is there a far better option for the money? The Vanguard does come in quite a few cartridges, but retail stores will only give them so many spots on the shelves, and since Weatherby is always pushing its own cartridges, its common to not find the chambering youre looking for without special ordering it. Ive narrowed it to 3, but just cant quite choose. Do you have any information on the Howa, or an opinion on which way I should. Pretty typical for a synthetic-stocked, budget-oriented hunting rifle. Actually, I like it a lot. Have you reviewed one yet? Mine shoots 1/2 MOA with handloads, Available in: 6 Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .308 Win, Available in: 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .308 Win, 300 Win Mag. Would like to buy a Tikka Super Varmint barrel and action with MDT chassis but am also considering Bergara UpR. More velocity with the heavier bullets which by the way do not work so well in the 6.5 Creedmore. 1 is the Footprint for the Action is proprietary, It is NOT made by Bergara. I am really interested in a waypoint. It is still a preferred caliber in Scandinavia for big game. Nor did it entirely love the excellent Hornady Black ammo, putting two rounds through the O that I was aiming at and three in another very tight group some distance away. Its the classic , its The One , its stood the test of time , its been around longer than the rest and will still be here long after these other rifles have fallen out of fashion. . Gear up as your favorite Delsin Rowe Vest. Ive shot it twice and didnt like it either time. And true to their ads, it is a sub-MOA shooter. Premium recoil pad, pic rail, fluted barrel, muzzle break.MOA guaranteed accuracy like the Tikka. I have been looking at the Browning BAR for years, its a great gun, but I would really like to have an AR format. I got mine during their initial recall for $199. A shiny one. I had a question on my first rifle purchase. Quality control issues, Im about to send it BACK in for a 2nd time for them to figure out why its damn near impossible to open or close the bolt after a few shots. I hear a lot of people liking the Seekins Havak, but it just hasnt grabbed me. Great review. 3. and three-stage safety. But honestly these are not deal-breakers (or at least I think so). Stock: AG Composites Alpine Hunter. Christensen MPR The MPR looks fantastic, but I do feel like its a little bit of lipstick on a pig. (Solid review on your part.). It seems to boast a sturdier stock. Hey Jim I recently found your stuff and have been doing a deep dive. Hey Jim, Those all sound like good options. If you want a wood stock, metal parts, and nice bluing, feel free to spend an extra $300 or more on a Ruger Hawkeye or similar. You mentioned the cheap filling stock. Great reviews, but nothing on the Browning AB3? Very impressed. Your input has influenced some decision Im making for future hunting rifles and calibers. To my surprise John Mogle responded and told me to send in my gun and they would replace the barrel and fix the problem. It truly needs to be able to handle rough handling. Jim love the reviews and the Channel. I have my moments of trigger snobbery, but if I owned a Momentum I wouldnt spend money seeking a trigger upgrade or smithing work. Went on my first hunt (elk) this October. Love your reviews. It may not display this or other websites correctly. TIKKA is proven, Franchi has some good reports. Is yours that picky? Thanks. Awesome at this price range. Weatherby also makes it in some non Weatherby calibers. I just have to say thank you I really appreciate your unbiased and honest opinions. Overall, if you forced me to pick a winner in this category, Id probably give it to the Springfield 2020 Waypoint. The controlled-round feed action is great. In todays market, it needs a more modern stock design, carbon barrel, and premium trigger to be worth the price they are asking. The Winchester Model 70 should be the rifle you compare all the others too. Its like comparing a Kia against a BMW. You should always spend your hard earned money on what *you* like, but the Franchi stock strikes me as an example of what the late Chuck Hawks called "Euro trash.". If you had a choice between XBolt Pro & Dako finnlight 85 in 300wm what one would you choose. Two shots were thrown right out of the group and the barrel was not yet even very warm. Having said that, in this price range, a lot of the decision is matching the rifle to your unique circumstances and preferences. The build quality was amazing, and shot sub MOA with factory Norma ammo. I figured I could get an AR rifle with Sub MOA accuracy that could maybe hit 2 birds with 1 stone. I still love wood stocks. Base Price: $816.99: Tax: - In Stock: Back in stock . Price points on the ammo dont put them too far apart when searching on Ammoseek, usually within 5 bucks a box depending upon brand. Travis Skurray from Australia. I would love those see a review of the Benelli Lupo.Ive been shooting mine for little while now and I have to say it is a very accurate hunting rifle with a great ability to conform to just about anybody.Hope to see a review in the near future.Da Butcher. I really have enjoyed watching your YouTube channel and reading some of your articles on backfire! They are built in the same factory where they produce Mauser and Blaser rifles (all owned by the same company), so I guess quality shouldnt be an issue but unlike Mausers and Blasers, these rifles are far less expensive. Also, the very aged sporter stock design doesnt lend itself well to shooting long rangeespecially in such a light rifle. The ammo is inexpensive and widely available, the recoil in manageable for most shooters, and the cartridge is unquestionably capable of taking elk cleanly. Premium recoil pad, pic rail, fluted barrel, muzzle breakMOA guaranteed accuracy like the Tikka. Is the quality that good? Jim, Love your channel and have spent most likely 30 plus hours reviewing your videos. I love it. The new Elite versions now feature detachable box magazines, Cerakote metal finishes and stocks wearing popular camo patterns. Next. Specifications: Franchi Momentum in .308 Caliber: .308 Winchester (available in five other calibers, too) Capacity: 4+1 Barrel Length: 22 inches Twist Rate: 1:11 Overall Length: 42.3 inches Length of Pull: 14 inches (adjustable with spacers) Trigger: 2-4 lbs, adjustable, single stage Weight: 6.6 pounds MSRP: $609 ( about $450 retail) I owned one in .28 Nosler and it was a very poor choice for that heavy-recoiling of a cartridge. Nothing problematic, but clearly noticeable. Tikka T3X Compact Bolt-Action Rifle - Best .308 Lightweight Hunting Rifle. Probably going to be the Waypoint. I do like the 300wm type power but its been a challenge researching top recommendations. Its a well designed stock, but the fit and finish feels cheesyespecially the checkering pattern they use. Great review $1,299.00. Its great out to about 400. BarrelLength: 22 inches So where are you from originally and where are you now..Im thinking not the US. If youre into Italian and youre into affordable, but you still want some Ferrari performance at the Fiat price, Franchis Momentum delivers the goods. 1 Image (s) Franchi Momentum Elite 6.5 Creed Realtree Excape 24" TB Burnt Bronze 41606. I wouldnt hesitate to recommend a Weatherby if you find one in a cartridge you like, or if you dont mind shooting Weatherbys overbore cartridges. If you had 1500-2500 just for one, which make would you drop that cash on? Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. (The extra mags are also only like $20 which is nice, too.) I really like the sig cross but I cant decide between 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor, or if I should instead go for a different rifle with chamberings more suitable for my kind of hunting and if so what chamberings and rifles would you suggest. Can you review the Sako S20 or why havent you done it yet? Watch my review here. Was very happy with all of it. I have played with many of the rifles you have. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And all the great work you do! Overall, the rifle is kinda heavy so itd be nice to reduce recoil a bit. Bought a vanguard series 2 in 270cant wait to shoot it put a leupold 3x9x50 ..I have 1400.00 in it first expensive gun Ive ever owned.wish me luck, The rifle you are selling that is under $350 thats quiet what caliber is it and who makes it need more information please thank you. Ill update the post. Whats the pros and cons in your opinion? Would love to hear your review and/or thoughts on military surplus and/or rifles you and friends first started on. If not the ultralight, whats the best 7 PRC for around $1500? Fierce Reaper I just love it so much. $699.00. Never shot 6.5 but all I hear are good things whats your opinion. LOL. Mr. Harmer, I really appreciate your reviews on the Sig Cross and Waypoint. I'm looking at it in 300 win mag. Bergara is intriguing, but I cant understand why its heavier. What is your opinion on the Edge vs Rival? In depth and honest or browning. Hey Jim, big fan of your Youtube channel and I always enjoy watching/reading your content. He lives outside of Austin, TX. There really isnt much to complain about on a Bergara B-14. Now I want another one and to get in to some long range and MAYBE some hunting. Would love a Tikka, but your notes on them provide the info for not making the cut. I would definitely buy the Winchester XPR SR version, which means suppressor ready, so you get a threaded barrel. But the biggest difference is that Franchi is hoping to sell rifles, and theyll sell 90, 6.5 Creeds for every 6.555 they sell , quoteBut the biggest difference is that Franchi is hoping to sell rifles, and theyll sell 90, 6.5 Creeds for every 6.555 they sell quote. What r your thought for a high end choice up to around the 3k range? Hey there Jim. To wit: 1. $1,049.00. I wanted to get into deer/large game hunting while trying to stick with one gun for all animals (deer to elk) and I live in northeast South Dakota. Have you considered the recently released rifles introduced by Franchi? I will be hunting suppressed from now on and want to keep my rifle as short as possible. Action is very heavy and clunky. I appreciate the blunt honesty. Id love to hear your thoughts on a modern option like the Extreme Weather SS MB. Instead of light gun oil, I wouldwipe gun with a rig rag. Heres a link to that rifle in .30-06. Unfortunately, I cant weigh in on the Sauer 100 yet because I havent tried it. These are deal breakers. I own one in a 30-06, with 3 safes full of guns, it is my favourite. Your reviews and articles are very helpful for us folks that dont have a big gun shop within 150 miles! Store. Obviously your not going to buy one move on. I dont want it to feel pain or the anxiety of dying slowly. Why would anyone purchase a rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor when 7mm-08 will do everything the 6.5 can but with a bigger bullet, flatter trajectory, and comparable wind drift at typical hunting ranges? With a typical retail price of $549, the Franchi Momentum is a lot of Italian hunting rifle for not a lot of cash. And based on my limited sample size, this budget rifle seems to prefer budget ammo. Been following your channel for a few years and have loved all the reviews. Sako has major problems with there stocks , I have owned several finnlight 85s and the stock will get sticky , Its not if its when , Sako will not do anything about this issue , They blame it on det in insect spray , I had one still in the box that got sticky and they didnt have an answer for that , You can read about this issue online its everywhere , Browning took care of this problem when they had this issue , I will never buy another sako for this reason , Do your research before buying one. Watch my review here. (1) The Springfield 2020 Waypoint with a steel barrel, (2) You could wait a few months for the new Bergara B14 Squared Crest to come out, or (3) Get a Sig Cross. Its actually a piece of cake. Saving a penny by not buying grease and oil costs you hundreds of dollars in rust repair. . I am looking to spend around $1200, and I am between the Savage ultralite and the Howa carbon kratos. TIKKA is proven, Franchi has some good reports. and Any opinions/guidance would be much appreciated! Just remember one thing the price of the good older stuff keeps going up and up so when you waste your money on junk it never goes up in value as fast as the good stuff so when you do get around to buying something of quality you lost twice not once. From afar it looks pretty standard, but it does set itself apart in a few ways. James I probably wouldnt recommend Fierce Firearms right now. Fierce rifles are accurate, built well, look great, come with good triggers, and feed perfectly. Franchi, the well-known maker of fine and affordable shotguns, unveiled an updated bolt gun in its Momentum Elite. These are incredible results from a rifle with an MSRP barely over $600! I too had nailed it down to the Savage or the Ruger American Rifle. Or even at a much higher price range. At present time i run Sakos and Blaser. Ill keep one in mind next time Im in the market. what makes it a Bergara? Interesting comparison. Never fired, sold it for 600). I wanted to get a Bolt Action rifle for hunting and also had always wanted an AR style rifle too. I like the fact that you backed your reviews with a substantial reason for the review vs nothing to substantiate the review. 99% sure the next rifle is the sig cross but real question is 6.5 cm or .308 I cant decide. The Tikka T3X Lite comes with an absolutely fantastic action. If you go slow while trying to be quiet in a hunting situation, it may not feed right. I just dont shoot the Weatherby as well as I used to, and even reloading is expensive enough I dont do much plinking with it. All are captive so you wont lose them. How us that helping? The rings are on a 30mm tube though, which has more surface area pressure from the rings to hold the scope in place. And like most of the rest of the world for that matter. There are a few really nice ergonomic details that Franchi has implemented on their stocks. Appreciate the comment. Benelli Lupo should had definitely made the list Better rifle than most others mentioned in my honest opinion. That limits my choice of rifles. Fun to read through this after watching all the vids. Love you work and your research is unparalleled. I own a Tikka T3 in .300 WSM and love it as my go-to big game hunting rifle. Weighs under 6 lbs. Jim, any thoughts on the Venture 2 from TC? I recently purchased a Franchi Momentum 300 win mag w/24 in. Fierce Rival I really like my Fierce Rival chambered in 6.5 PRC. Like you I love the idea of the cerakote on it and I think a stiffer stock lends itself to shooters well. XBolt Pro is a good gun but needs a new trigger. Ruger precision is really heavy for hunting, but a cool rifle. Again one star better than average in this category, but it still leaves plenty of room for improvement. Looking at a Seekins Havak in 300 PRC. Id love to give one a good in-depth review, but I havent yet. Good Morning Jim Jim great reviews. One issue that has come up with all three of their guns is having to check and tighten the front and rear action assembly screws. 5. Have you ever tested any Franchi hunting rifles? There are very few reviews and almost zero information about how the Howa carbon shoots. And although most of my center fires are Deluxe grade, the aforementioned still holds true. Yes please, there is a major lack of opinions out there on the LUPO. It is very expensive. I am looking to buy a Savage 110 Timberline in 300 win mag, what is opinion about it ? I preferred the action on the FME a lil bit over the CVA, but I could not get over how every Franchi had stock contact somewhere along the barrel. There was getting to the point where I found I needed better but thats not how the first few years took off. Indeed, the Momentums bolt only travels 60 degrees from fully open to fully locked and vice-versa, whereas your typical 2-lug job requires a 90-degree throw. The Sig Cross is the rifle that I have consistently used more than any other hunting rifle in my gun vault. Plus all the pros of the above B-14 review. Im not sure why Bergarra and other premium manufacturers dont do this but Im sure theres a reason. On the flip side, a 60-degree throw is often not always, but usually stiffer, and this was the case here. Hey jim i was wondering if you have done a review on the savage impulse i found some videos on it but not many that really go indepth on the build quality or how well or not well the action works. I really like the Springfield waypoint but it is out of my price range but definitely the nicest rifle Ive held! Im a big fan of Sig pistols and never had an issue with QC. I just wish there was a better feeling about the Ridgeline. The Sig Cross: Amazing design after some early quality control issues. Never bother with a Winchester M70, because I thought it was old fashion. Along with it is 2-position safety that . Loved seeing some rifles I hadnt seen vids on with the Sako and getting your full thoughts. Just a few examples of what is out there on the used market so why in the hell would anyone be dumb enough to buy modern made piece of garbage. I have monkey arms so a new stock is in the future for whatever rifle I choose another reason Im trying to keep the price down. What is your opinion on Gunwerks? You might also consider a more traditional 7 Rem Mag or .30-06. Hi Jim, I love your reviews and think you are the best reviewer I have come across. I think the rifle is feature rich and might be a real shooter. I\ve been looking at a lot of your reviews and videos and am wondering if 7mm rem mag might be the best option for a cartridge. My main criteria is staying sub 6 lbs if I can for the rifle only and sub moa guarantee. Both have cold hammer forged barrels 2. Sure, its the same action and barrel, but its dressed up completely differently, and I think it changes the gun significantly. Any thoughts. Thanks for such a speedy response. Could you add another tier or two? Cannot find the Federal rounds anymore so Shooting the Hornady Precision Hunter 110s now. Never worried much about how my rifle looked either before or after the hunt. Seekins is another I looked into but judging by the lack of representation in reviews I\m not confident in it either. Chambered in .308 Winchester, the author's Franchi Momentum has a 22-inch barrel with a threaded muzzle and a black synthetic stock with a recoil pad and integral sling-swivel studs. FRUSTRATING. I dont say that lightly. But its a great all around gun out to 450 when most hunters can only shoot 250, if that. Im giving the Momentum an extra star above average for the polished, fluted bolt and all the checkered ergonomic areas on the stock that fancy it up a bit. Id probably go with the Weatherby, but both guns will be very accurate. I found not too long ago a Husqvarna Mauser for $400 bucks in like new condition. Thanks for doing great work. A 60 degree bolt lift that makes second fast shots from the shoulder a complete impossibility. Specifically, I am looking at 300 PRC and .28 Nolser, or 300 Weatherby Magnum. I am looking at loading with heavier grain bullets such as the Berger 30 cal 215 Hybrid or Berger 7mm 180 or 195 Grain bullets. I purchased a 280 AI in a Mark V Weatherby instead. I really like the stock design. threaded barrel w/muzzle brake. Id say Im in the sub-$1,500 range. Great rifle. Sure, you can have better fit and finish, but it costs more. I was all ready to order the Fierce but I see your post above and now I am on the fence. Even though Im happy with my decision, the Ultralite might have been the better way to go. So if you are shooting 300 win mag, will it throw inaccurate shots on the 3rd shot (or even the 2nd)? I used to hunt as a kid. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Its a great suppressor. I looked at the Waypoint locally and thought is was a really nice gun. I did go looking for the reloading equipment you mentioned and more on acquiring lowers ahead of time, yet unable to find. Is it ever gonna happen or should I just buy a 6.5 prc? In our testing, the Weatherby Vanguard shot the most accurately, although the difference between it, the Bergara and the Tikka was so small that I doubt we could call it statistically significant. Thanks, Joe. I agree! They will be on sale at cabelas this next week, and I havent heard that much about them. All six chamberings available in U.S.-market Momentums come with a threaded barrel. The trigger is heavy, but thats true on the Browning XBolts as well. . ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Jim, Ive had three X bolts in 6.8 western in the past 8 months and all shot well but velocities were a good 100 fps or more below what was stated on box on three different brands. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. To be clear, youll load the rifle from the top, pushing one round at a time down and into the internal magazine, and this function allows you to safely and easily unload the Momentum. It doesnt snag or grab clothes but somehow its still plenty soft and grippy. Of all the rifles I own, if you just said Grab a rifle and go hunting without any more specifics of where Id be hunting or what Id be hunting, Id grab that rifle. If youre patient and know what youre doing. Ive fallen in love. I have a Momentum elite varmint in 224 Valkyrie. I havent seen you review any CZ rifle, any cause un particular? Its typically priced around $950, but for $100 extra dollars over the $850 budget, you get an adjustable mini chassis. Ive been eyeing them for a while, but the MPR turned me off from the chassis rifles. It and the Fierce Rogue are tight competitors. Ive owned a Lupo chambered in 30-06 for several months now. It just does everything reasonably well. Hard to go wrong with it for online prices often below $400. (weight) Ill use my customized REM 700 in 300 win mag for elk.
